Strange Tony,
Under COVID-19 Humana has been making money hand over fist. CFO Brian Kane was the only executive to mention Kindred at Home in the Q3 earnings call. Kane said:
Regarding Kindred at Home, you'll recall we mentioned on our first quarter earnings call that new home health admissions have been adversely impacted by COVID. As the year has progressed, volumes have stabilized and early signs of a rebound in demand are beginning to materialize. Further, the Company has been able to offset these initial challenges with strong clinical and overhead cost controls across the organization.
On Home Health Humana CEO Bruce Broussard offered:
We do continue to also want to grow the value base from us building our clinics and our home health side. So, you see with the primary care -- the partners in primary care product and the Conviva product, along with some of our home solutions, moving more and more to value-based payment models that are really oriented to the ability to do it, whether we do it internally with our providers or externally through our partnerships there.
There was no mention of hospice on the call even though Americans are dying from COVID-19 in droves.
Oddly, Broussard mentioned a program Papa that provides support to lonely Medicare Advantage patients.
While registering Otis for the Papa program, the case manager noticed it was Otis' birthday and began singing happy birthday to him over the phone. Otis was overcome with emotion, noting it had been years since someone had even wished him a happy birthday. His reaction impacted his case managers so much that she reached out to Papa's corporate team and Humana, who immediately took action and had a birthday cake delivered to Otis' home. Sometimes, the smallest action can make a big difference in someone's life. Programs like Papa now are important element in addressing the holistic needs of our members.
Our hospice did this very thing for years for our patients. It ended when Humana and its financial rapscallion partners bought Kindred at Home and forced our hospice into Curo's penny pinching operating model.
Curo does not allow a color printer in the office. Thus we stopped making personalized birthday cards for patients. We could no longer print custom certificates honoring veterans for their military service. These cost our hospice pennies to produce. For years patients and their families expressed heartfelt appreciation for birthday celebrations (often with cake) and military service recognition (with veterans pins and balloons).
Management said "Ink is expensive." Our Medical Directors offered to pay for the ink. Management declined. Our office just installed new cartridges which would last a year. We asked if we could just use up the ink in the printer. Management said "that is forbidden."
Our office paid over $2 a page for veterans certificates at an outside vendor. Add staff time and mileage reimbursement and each certificate cost over $12. Before Humana we produced those for pennies in a fraction of the time.
I recall a meeting with Jeff Shaner, Senior VP of the Hospice Division under Gentiva. Shaner told a story about a chaplain who'd gotten "employee of the year" for his region. The chaplain stayed with the patient and family all night because it felt like the right thing to do.
After Shaner finished his story our hospice chaplain said he would've been fired for doing that very thing. The award winning chaplain was salaried, thus his extended hours of service had no additional cost to Gentiva. Our chaplain was hourly and would've been fired for working overtime without permission. I know he regularly stayed with patients and families off the clock. That too could have gotten him fired.
Humana's CEO bragged about Papa to Wall Street analysts. Our hospice did the same thing for years and Broussard's managers nixed it, doing so with contempt and disdain.
Humana contracts for Papa's services. Our celebratory work with patients was done by hospice volunteers, i.e. for free by people with big hearts and love to share. Contrast that with Humana's executive team which has to be motivated by complex reward schemes to do their job.
The spoils of this earth lies in the hands of Broussard and his executive team. Hospice angels get their rewards by doing God's work on this earth. Humana cut our once award winning hospice service levels. During the pandemic Broussard et al gave us cost controls. Kindred at Home owners and executives are loath to share.
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Nurse from North Carolina said this about KAH:
ReplyDeleteNot enough pay or work life balance for hours put in.
No work life balance. Too much driving. Pay is low. No raises in years. Don’t pay you for experience. Too much paperwork. Office staff don’t know tablet or how long it takes to chart visits.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/not-enough-pay-or-work-life-balance-for-hours-put-in?id=ed5d5b15ae690aa9
Another North Carolina RN said:
ReplyDeleteRun!
No work / life balance. Numbers matter more than patient care. Management has their favorites. Rules change all the time. Poor communication among staff
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/run?id=ba3615e8a2b670df
Virginia RN Case Manager said:
ReplyDeleteUnreasonable Expectations
Never been fully staffed, expecting clinicians to drive great distances to see patients making for late nights and having to leave paperwork for after hours and impossible to have work/life balance. Orientation is subpar and rushed. Certain employees bully managers so work isn’t spread evenly. All about numbers. They don't compensate fairly for work completed.
Pros
Great Patients
Cons
No staff, poor pay, long hours
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/unreasonable-expectations-from-an-always-short-staff?id=a0ecddd3ca23f157
Indiana RN said:
ReplyDeleteAfter having been employed for a few months and having been promised no on call, they completely changed my job description and put me in a role with which I was uncomfortable and had no experience. When I expressed concern over this, I was dismissed repeatedly. I loved working with the hospice patients, but there was virtually no work-life balance. I was told to put my work before my family. Long hours, on call too much, and they expect too much for the amount of patients to see. It's a shame because I loved working with those patients.
Pros
Loved the patients, not stuck in one place all day
Cons
Management dismissive, no work-life balance, expectations too high for patient load
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-Hospice/reviews/was-great-at-first-but?id=fd0f5bb654d42315
South Carolina RN rated company "Poor"
ReplyDeleteThe management has really gone downhill. No real orientation or any direction from management. They have had a couple of big layoffs and now everyone has to work short staffed. My fellow workers are really great, but no one wants to be taken advantage of all the time. Benefits are poor.
Pros
Great staff
Cons
Poor management, poor benefits and poor pay
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/poor-management?id=e9b6c31e25cf0565
Arizona RN called company "Toxic, rumor mill, you will work 60 hours most weeks"
ReplyDeleteWe’re all underpaid and overworked. The staff is stretched so thin we’re seeing patients once a week. Add in frequent night and weekend call and there’s no give. Our families suffer, we’re taken advantage of and our patients aren’t getting the care they deserve. Management at the top is pretty gracious and fair, but at the branch level it’s a clown show. Back stabbing, rumor spreading, staff being made fun of by the supervisor. There’s no way to take our patients our best because we just don’t have it. Keep hearing there’s a light at the end of the tunnel but it’s been almost a year and there’s no light. Kindred, if you’re listening, we’re in the deep water here. Help.
Pros
If you’re the teachers pet I imagine it’s a lot of fun, but she only has one pet and he doesn’t do anything
Cons
Our office is run by someone who should never have been put in this position
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-Hospice/reviews/toxic-rumor-mill-you-will-work-60-hour-weeks-most-weeks?id=4f513fdb706e3e01
Texas RN said Kindred Hospice is "All About Profits"
ReplyDeleteNot a great place or even good place to work. too much on call, poor pay, management took two to three hour lunches, for Christmas one year I received a 5.00 gift card for Starbucks for my Christmas bonus.
Pros
Flexible schedule
Cons
Too much on call
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-Hospice/reviews/all-about-profits?id=760ce6eaa57ec7e1
Former Curo HR associate said "Too much concern about the money":
ReplyDeleteI worked at CURO Health Services full-time
Pros
Unable to think of a pro at this moment
Cons
Unable to listen to employees
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CURO-Health-Services-Reviews-E643107.htm
Strategic HR does management's bidding. Employees have no advocate. Things deteriorated under Gentiva, declined further with Kindred, however Humana et al stole employees' voices as well as their wages.
DeleteFormer RN said "No work/home life balance" of Kindred Hospice:
ReplyDeleteI worked at Kindred Hospice full-time
Pros
Good pay and advancement opportunities
Cons
No work/home life balance. Frequent mandatory over-time and on-call shifts. Frequently had to chart at home off the clock due to heavy caseloads and understaffing.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Kindred-Hospice-Reviews-E2366081.htm
RN Case Manager said of Kindred Hospice, "They don't care about their employees"
ReplyDeleteI worked at Kindred Hospice full-time
Pros
The patients are so sweet
Cons
Corporate doesn’t care about employees. They expect RN’s to not only manage their case load, but also perform marketing duties
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Kindred-Hospice-RVW38995034.htm
NC RN said:
ReplyDeleteThe culture is unique to each branch. The pay is less than many other agencies and the work expectation is more. There is quite a bit of extra paperwork outside of cost charting that is required of case managers and they are not reimbursed for that time.
Pros
Autonomous work if a field clinician
Cons
RNs have to do a lot of “paperwork” outside of visit charting that is not reimbursed.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/the-culture-is-unique-to-each-branch-the-pay-is-less-than-many-other-agencies-and-the-work-expectation-is-more?id=1becf8cb76be8553
Tennessee Home Health nurse said:
ReplyDeleteRevenue is number one priority. Sales team brings in patients that are not appropriate for home health and we are directed to admit them and figure it out. Patients that need continuous care and no one to provide it. Turning down admits is not an option is the catch phrase around here. Nurses are worked like dogs, 3 times the normal number of patients on our schedule. It’s a mess. A good group of clinicians, we are doing our best, but the office gets no support from management except to crack the whip and admit more patients when we can’t take care of the ones we’ve got.
Pros
Great clinicians and the office is supportive as they are allowed to be.
Cons
Ability to provide patient care is not a priority with management, revenue is number one priority
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/revenue-is-number-one-priority?id=fcfc74ec59636d26
Kindred Hospice office staff from San Diego:
ReplyDeleteA con would be the need to work extra hours to get everything required done.
Hospice RN Case Manager:
Frequently had to chart at home off the clock due to heavy caseloads and understaffing.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Kindred-Hospice-Reviews-E2366081.htm
South Carolina RN said:
ReplyDelete"Bad Culture"
The large healthcare/corporate feel leaves new employees lost and feeling like they are a burden, especially during COVID. Training and support for new staff is minimal due to staffing issues than never change. The office itself had a bad vibe and a culture of disrespect for all of the employees, from office staff to clinical. They admit more patients than they can take care of. Just not the kind of place I wanted to be a part of.
Pros
Location
Cons
Extended work days due to workload, disrespectful culture, unable to take vacation days
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/bad-culture?id=219ac9b68860f587
North Caroline RN stated:
ReplyDeleteThe compensation listed in the offer letter isn’t what you receive and you have to fight for weeks to get it corrected.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/chaos?id=04cbed94a08373a1
Washington RN said:
ReplyDeleteWhat was once a good company is now horrible
MANAGEMENT on up really DO NOT CARE about their employees and demonstrates VERY POOR LEADERSHIP. NONE of them seem to know what is happening or even who anyone is, nor do they take the time listen to concerns or learn about the staff. Management changes are frequent and this location cannot keep RNs. As for therapy staff, they care more about keeping PRNs busy and happy then they do full time employees. Oh and pay... What a joke!! No raises in over 5 year!! Yep over 5 years, not even a cost of living. I would not recommend anyone working here. There are several other HH agencies in the area that take much better care of their employees.
Pros
Co Workers are wonderful
Cons
Horrible Management
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/what-was-once-a-good-company-is-now-a-horrible-company?id=d93200c82d3791f6
We are still in a pandemic and Humana hired yet another executive, a technology oriented physician.
ReplyDelete“Dr. Olayiwola is highly regarded as an innovator and expert in harnessing technology to increase access to care for underserved and disenfranchised populations, as well as designing and implementing impactful clinical programs to address the personal needs and challenges people face in achieving their best health. We are fortunate to have her join us to expand and enhance Humana’s work on health equity.”
The new doctor likely does not know how crappy technology robs hospice employees of fair pay for hours worked and reasonable mileage reimbursement. The systems Humana imposed on us ensure inequity for staff. There are no nurses left to make comparisons but its clear to me our hospice no longer provides the great care for which we were once nationally recognized.
How many inequities will remain after Humana buys the rest of Kindred at Home? Humana's benefits are leagues better than ours.
Hospice Nurse said: Used to be great
ReplyDeleteSince being purchased by Humana in 2018 the company has completely changed. Not enough help in branch offices or in the field. This is typical for all hospices nowadays
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-Hospice/reviews/used-to-be-a-great-place?id=1edf85dbb0098622
Pros
good benefits
Cons
staffing model is too slim
Virginia Office Manager said: It was just OK
ReplyDeleteThe high turnover in management became too much. Leadership didn't care to make any changes. The satellite office played stepchild to the primary office.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-Hospice/reviews/it-was-just-ok?id=2bdb0cab8b4f45e8
Patient Care Attendant said: Worthless Company
ReplyDeleteAt this company you are a warm body and thats it. They can and will replace you tomorrow. Whether your a caregiver or in the office they will come in and clean the whole office out.
Cons
Management is horrible
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/worthless-company?id=d0f0f14cca745321
AR Specialist in Kansas said "No raises and poor upper management"
ReplyDeleteMisleading job description. Job is essentially a collection job for insurances. They will tell you it's only a little bit of your day but it ends up being calls to insurances and occasionally clients based on collections. Upper management even refers to A/R Specialists as collectors. The only guidance from upper management is to bring more cash in by working more collections. Poor culture as well as any movement within company requires personal connections and is not performance based. Most enjoyable part is some of your coworkers, but most will complain about the lack of raises promised but never followed through on year in and year out. Unless you are desperate or determined to have the same job collecting for your entire tenure, DO NOT APPLY.
Pros
Coworkers
Cons
Pay, Upper Management, Misleading description, Collections, Lateral job.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/no-raises-and-poor-upper-management?id=38e3352e1401a38d
Humana at Home nurse said:
ReplyDeleteI worked as a dialer nurse which was an oppressive experience to say the least. Humana at Home has cult-like qualities for sure. Managers are generally hired within and several of them just have Bachelors degrees with minimal leadership training. This group just manages ... they don’t lead. Group meetings were mostly one way monologues from managers. The managers seemed to care only about their own job security, meeting metrics and receiving accolades from their superior. They can monitor employees calls, screens, IM’s and emails which felt creepy. And it seemed like managers including upper management, felt threatened by confident and empowered employees. Patriarchal values and mindsets were rampant. Group think, blind loyalty, and rigid authoritative management practices were the norm. They are shady as well- they were training internal Social Work Care Managers to fill in as RN care managers..what? If you decide to work for them and are just needing a steady paycheck -lower your expectations as much as possible, be prepared to do mind numbing work all day to meet metrics, and find some humor in it all, and you will survive.
Pros
The day I returned my equipment-freedom
Cons
Mind numbing work, unhealthy environment, authoritative managers
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Humana/reviews/humana-at-home-snp-care-management?id=361b16d6ab24a1fe
I hate working on the cheap Samsung tablet, but that just scratches the surface of the many cuts we have had to make. Our office staff is down to just 3 people. Supplies are bare bones - I can only order 2 dressings per week for a patient with a wound requiring many more than that. Not a nurse friendly environment, which in turn means not a patient friendly environment, and that is just sad.
ReplyDeleteHumana considered the conversion to that cheap Samsung tablet a Herculean effort.
ReplyDeletehttps://homehealthcarenews.com/2020/02/following-herculean-integration-efforts-humana-sees-balanced-growth-for-kindred-at-home/
Arkansas Nurse Case Manager said:
ReplyDeleteyou have to really watch what you are paid vs what you have turned in. have to go back and check all the time to see if your on call visits were in your paycheck.
Pros
flexible time
Cons
caseload too high
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-Hospice/reviews/managers-are-always-available-to-answer-questions?id=6e1f803344f8b820
Massachusetts HR Coordinator/Scheduler cited Kindred at Home's terrible management:
ReplyDeleteThe pay is good but the management is terrible. They will work you like a horse and make you feel like you do nothing, and you owe the company your life. They also do not give regular raises and do not show appreciation for their staff. Terrible work/life balance.
Pros
They buy you lunch sometimes
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/good-pay-terrible-management?id=6cff92bbc64833cf
Home Health marketer in Houston, TX called company "Cut throat"
ReplyDeleteThis position is very very cut throat. Do not join if you need job security. Every month you wonder if you have a job. Goals are unrealistic. Very hard to make a career.
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/cut-throat?id=8178c67f2b167b9c
Georgia Hospice RN said "Poor staff appreciation, no work/home life balance"
ReplyDeletePros
Wonderful clinical team at the branch level. Back office work is able to be completed remotely.
Cons
The company provided poorly made lunch boxes for the staff as a Christmas present. After so many changes over the last two years, clinical staff are greatly under appreciated by the “floating heads” at the corporate level with no personal connection. The office staffing model was greatly reduced and it is very difficult to maintain complete office operations without bringing more work home.
Advice to Management
Area leaders need to remain present in branches to provide proper training and support of director, managers and clinical staff connections. It will create a more welcome environment with less resistance to change. For such a large company, please provide a better style of staff appreciation.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Kindred-Hospice-RVW40847521.htm
Tacoma Home Health RN said company "cares only about money"
ReplyDeleteI have been working at Kindred at Home full-time for more than 8 years
Pros
Non management co workers are wonderful
Cons
Management is HORRIBLE!!! New managers annually and each new one is worse than the one before and do not care about the employee only about impressing the higher ups. Tacoma cannot keeps nurses happy, so they are always leaving. Management cares more about keeping work available for PRN staff than fulltime staff. Census is always low because they cannot keep nurses. NEVER pay raises, In over 7 years no pay increase. Benefits are horrible. Did I mention, HORRIBLE management. All around, bad company.
Advice to Management
Take care of your fulltime staff. More time seems to be spent on stupid end of the week emails and all the emojis then actually learning what is really going on with why people are leaving and so unhappy. Prioritize!
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-Kindred-at-Home-RVW42057319.htm
Anonymous employee called company "Awful":
ReplyDeleteI have been working at Kindred at Home full-time for more than 3 years
Pros
Great coworkers but they all leave
Cons
Management. Caddy, petty and vindictive
Advice to Management
Stop treating the good employees bad to save your pride
Georgia RN said:
ReplyDeleteI love my JOB at Kindred. Since the buyout and converting to Curo, I hate the people we work for. Unreasonable demands, unrealistic expectations. To put it in perspective, They want you to work 24/7, with no care or concern for your safety. The nurses and other team truly care about their patients. Corporate see's a number and that is all that matters. The staff go above and beyond day after day trying to take care of unrealistic expectations on everyone from the Office staff to Field staff and everyone in between.
Pros
Working on the Sales Side, At least the management is better and more understanding than the operations side.
Cons
Operations management - Unbearable to work with
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-Hospice/reviews/the-company-has-a-great-reputation?id=ac85d7518810d1c8
Texas Home Health employee said "Lots of turnover and management sucks"
ReplyDeleteI worked there for a year and got fired over the stupidest stuff ever. If you are not in with the click then the click of girls will do anything to get you fired. They don’t like people who are smarter than they are. So don’t even think you could move up within the company. If they find out you are good at something they will push it all onto you with or without training, and let you struggle and then fire you for not getting it.
Pros
Nothing good to say about it
Cons
Management sucks
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Kindred-At-Home/reviews/there-is-lots-of-turn-over-and-management-sucks?id=cb56644f1bd31e74